Цитата: BlackShark от 01.08.2020 14:10:07Так уже решение по поводу "аллес порезайт" до 54тыс. принято. И панцеров, кажется, до 120. Режут бригады, королевскую МП, по ходу, просто приговорят.
А вот если панцеров не станет СОВСЕМ... Ну и про Норвегию смешно. Фантомные боли "Вестерюбунга" не дают покоя? Так мы ж не гансы, никуда не поплывем, флот про*бывать. Ну, поплывем, но недалеко. Стопами дедов, до Киркенеса. А так-то, в-основном, поедем.
И что они там в Норвегии своими легкими частями против наших тяжелых с кучей танков, ББМ и артиллерии делать собираются, я, прямо, и не знаю
Решение не принято, SDSR в работе, когда будет документ, будет решение.
Вопрос в том, имеют ли смысл танки в таком количестве, учитывая специфику организации их армии. У них учения танковых частей проводятся в Канаде( ! ) и там дислоцированы многие танки, поскольку слишком дорого их постоянно таскать туда сюда. В самих подразделениях мало танков, чтобы выдвинуть бригаду в бой ее нужно со всего мира собирать пожалуй не меньше месяца. В бой можно и не успеть .....
Кроме того много танков на хранении чтобы в час "РуСкИеИдУт" довести бригады до списочного состава, а хранятся они "по украински" насколько я понимаю. Ну еще и резервов нету для ротации
Один блогер это хорошо описал. Он итальянец, ведет блог с 2011 года, болеет за английскую армию но пишет очень информативно и объективно. Сравнивая его старые записи и новые можно наблюдать все больше отчаяние....
Вот запись 2019 года по этому поводу для тех кто владеет их мовой. Возможно нужен прокси.
http://ukarmedforces…me-on.htmlСкрытый текст
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For now, what you need to know is that British Army regiments are no longer assigned a whole fleet of vehicles. A formation has, instead, daily ownership of a greatly reduced portion of equipment, the Basic Unit Fleet (BUF). The make-up of a BUF can vary a lot, but for tank regiments I believe it is something like 20 tanks. Aka, 1 Sqn plus RHQ, the bare minimum needed for sub-unit level training (Collective Training level 1, CT-1).
When the time comes to train the regiment to an higher level of Collective working, the unit moves out to a training area (Salisbury, or Sennelager, all the way up to BATUS in Canada) where it “borrows” additional tanks from the resident Training Fleet. At the end of the exercise, said tanks are handed back to the TF depot, and wait for the following formation to arrive.
The rest of the vehicles sit in Controlled Humidity Storage, preserved for assignment to formations deploying for operations. In theory, said vehicles are meant to come out of storage in perfect material state and ready to go, but this has often not been the case.
What does this mean, in practice? Well, the Times suggests that just 148 Challenger 2s might be updated and life extended. This is even less than expected (168 was a number that circulated for quite a while). In theory, it is plenty for an army with just 2 Type 56 regiments, so with an active fleet of, in theory, 112 tanks, (more or less as many as were deployed in Operation TELIC).
However, the Whole Fleet Management approach and simple considerations about geography, training needs and logistics mean that 148 are not “plenty”, not even for an army with just 2 MBT regiments.
The 2 regiments might have on-site Basic Unit Fleets of 20 tanks each, for a total of 40. Then there should be a Training Fleet allocation at Warminster, for use in exercises on Salisbury Plain. I have no clue how many tanks might be part of it, but at the very least I’d expect enough to equip at least a second squadron. Maybe enough to bring a visiting regiment up to full ORBAT, which would mean as many as 46 (without considering any spare). If we are anywhere near the true figure, we have already allocated 86 tanks out of 148.
Then there is BATUS. Considering the difficulty and cost of carrying tanks from the UK to Canada, the near totality of the vehicles used during Battlegroup exercises in BATUS are kept in a Training Fleet held on site. There are probably only enough MBTs for a 2-squadrons BG, but that means as many as 40 vehicles, still. And that would bring us to 126, leaving just 22 other tanks to allocate.
Sennelager? The Army is withdrawing from Germany, but does not want to vacate the Sennelager training area and will maintain a permanent presence there, to support exercises by visiting units coming from the UK. However, having tanks on site as Training Fleet risks being impossible. The numbers are merciless. Moreover, the British Army intends to continue using the Controlled Humidity Storage site of Ayrshire Barracks in Mönchengladbach. This depot is arguably ideally placed to ensure there are stored MBTs already on the continent, so that crews can pick them up and swiftly drive east if it ever becomes necessary.
The problem is that 148 tanks are nowhere near enough to have tanks everywhere. WFM, if done well, has merits, but those do not include reducing the overall fleet requirement, because geographic spread complicates things terribly.
With 148 tanks, the British Army will not be able to have stored tanks ready to deploy and appropriately sized and well placed training fleets. The whole concept will have to be reworked, and since the numbers are merciless, there is probably no real way to fix it. Ahead of any deployment, the British Army will have to literally collect its tanks from a multitude of different locations, raiding all training fleets to be able to put the 2 regiments in the field. And with virtually zero possibilities of ever rushing the Reserve regiment onto the field as a formed unit.
This only adds to the already numerous doubts about the Army’s ability to ever realize its ambition of being able to resource a Division-level deployment with 100% of its armoured brigades. The British Army claims that, in the future, it will be able to deploy 3rd Division for a complex operation with 2 armoured and 1 strike brigade, out of a total of 2 and 2. Respectively 100 and 50% of the total component, deployed at once.
The possibilities of it ever being feasible are very slim. And even if the ambition is realized, there will be literally nothing behind the deployed division. It will be a silver bullet that can be fired only once. After 6 months or so, if the need for Armour in theatre has not ceased, some other country will better show up, because the British Army does not have any other armoured formation to rotate.
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Более "официальные" блогеры признают пиздец в каждом виде войск, но пытаются оптимистично смотреть в будущее, зато у них в комментариях от активных солдат один депресняк
А в военных форумах все бывшие и действующие комментируют новости о реформах в основном уже только с юмором
Отредактировано: Диамант - 02 авг 2020 05:17:27